Summer Jewel Lavender Salvia Seeds
Another Award-winning Nonstop Bloomer!
Begins blooming less than 2 months from sowing, weeks ahead of others!
- Genus: Salvia
- Species: coccinea
- Variety: Summer Jewel™ Lavender
- Item Form: (P) Pkt of 25 seeds
- Zone: 7 - 10
- Bloom Start to End: Late Spring - Early Fall
- Habit: Dwarf
- Seeds Per Pack: 25
- Plant Height: 20 in
- Plant Width: 15 in
- Bloom Size: .5 in
- Additional Characteristics: Award Winner, Bird Lovers, Bloom First Year, Butterfly Lovers, Easy Care Plants, Flower, Free Bloomer, Hummingbird Lovers, Pest Fighter, Repeat Bloomer, Rose Companions, Season Extenders
- Bloom Color: Lavender, Light Purple
- Foliage Color: Medium Green
- Light Requirements: Full Sun
- Moisture Requirements: Dry, Moist, well-drained
- Resistance: Disease Resistant, Drought Tolerant, Heat Tolerant, Humidity Tolerant, Pest Resistant
- Soil Tolerance: Clay, Normal, loamy, Poor
- Uses: Beds, Border, Containers, Cut Flowers, Outdoor, Wildflowers
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Just about 50 days from sowing the seed, you will see the first blooms open on upright, vigorous, well-branched plants. The flowers are flared and tubular, about ½-inch long, and they arise very closely spaced on long, slender stems. Held out like flags, they call to every butterfly, hummingbird, and bee in the garden!
Summer Jewel™ Lavender is a dwarf, but it sets so many hundreds of blooms over its lengthy late-spring-through-early-fall season that it's hard to believe the flower power. And these blooms are weather tough, bouncing right back from wind, rain, and extreme heat. Never been an annual sage with this kind of performance before!
The blooms crowd along sturdy stems among fuzzy mid-green foliage on plants just 15 to 20 inches high in bloom and 10 to 15 inches wide. So compact you can grow them in containers, they pack a big color punch in the garden, too! When autumn comes and the plants set seed, goldfinches swoop in for a big feast.
Summer Jewel™ Lavender is a native plant, content in any well-drained soil receiving full sunshine to light shade, but best when the soil is fertile and the moisture is consistent. It will tolerate heat, humidity, dry soil, and other stresses, but you'll want to pamper it to keep those amazing blooms coming in the greatest possible number. The show is just too jaw-dropping to cut short!
Be sure to plant a few Summer Jewel™ Lavender plants among your vegetables and herbs, too. By attracting beneficial insects and other pollinators, this Sage actually helps keep down the numbers of destructive pests that might attack your food crops. And the blooms really brighten up the "working" garden!
Hardy in zones 7-10, this Sage is grown as an annual everywhere. Packet is 25 seeds.
Salvia Germination Information
How to Sow Salvia: - The annuals are best sown indoors, 6-8 weeks before last frost, at alternating temperatures of 68 and 86°
- Seeds will germinate in 12-15 days
- Sow the red-flowering salvias with NO cover as they need light to germinate
- If treating S. farinacea as an annual, sow indoors 12 weeks before last frost
- The biennials are best sown outdoors in late summer and fall with flowers produced the following summer
- The perennials are best sown outdoors in spring through summer, up to two months before frost
- Alternatively, they can be sown indoors by following the protocol for annuals
- If started early enough, perennials will flower in their first year
- The seeds of S. splendens are not long lived and should not be stored
- When sowing seed outdoors, we recommend a maximum planting depth of 4X the width of the seed
How to Grow Salvia:
Lighting: They can all be sited in full sun to part shade (the pastel-colored annuals do best in part shade)
Spacing: Spacing depends on the species, as sizes vary
Soil: Plant in a rich, well-drained soil. They perform best when well-watered, but are slightly drought tolerant
Additional Care: Deadhead after flowering
Appearance and Use:
A vast array of colors and sizes for just about any use in borders, bedding, edging, and planters. In summer or fall they produce spikes of tubular flowers that are 2-lipped. Salvia splendens is an annual native to Brazil, grows 6-36 inches tall. Salvia sclarea var. turkestanica grows 36 inches tall with bright pink flowers in summer and fall. It is a biennial native to Turkestan that is hardy from Zones 4 to 7. Salvia superba grows 2-3 feet tall with deep blue to purple flowers. It is hardy from Zones 4 to 7. Salvia microphylla, Baby Salvia, is shrubby and grows 3-6 feet tall with red flowers. It is a half-hardy perennial native to Mexico that is fully hardy in Zones 8 to 10. Salvia farinaceae grows 18-36 inches tall with blue flowers and gray-green leaves. It is a perennial in Zones 8 to 10, but is grown as an annual in colder climates. Native to New Mexico and Texas. Salvia viridis (S. horminium) grows 18 inches tall with rose, pink, purple, blue, or white flowers. Native to Southern Europe, it is a perennial in Zones 9 and 10, but is grown as an annual in colder climates
About Salvia:
Pronunciation: sal’ve-å
Lifecycle: Annual, Biennial, Perennial
Origination: Lamiaceae, nativity in text above
Common Name: Salvia
Which plants should I grow to repel insects?
Many of the herbs will repel insects. Pennyroyal repels fleas and other insects. Pyrethrum repels moths, flies, ants, mosquitoes, cockroaches, mites, and bedbugs. Mint repels flies, fleas, and ants. Lavender repels flies, silverfish, and fleas. Catnip can repel mosquitoes. Thyme repels insects. Lemon Grass repels mosquitoes. Basil repels flies and mosquitoes. Sage repels a variety of insects. Chrysanthemum, grown for its beautiful flowers and for the extraction of pyrethrin (an organic insecticide), repels flies, beetles, mosquitoes, roaches, lice, and fleas.
Which plants should I grow to repel rabbits and deer?
Planting garlic, onions, chives, lavender, rosemary, and sage around rabbit-susceptible plants will repel rabbits. Deer repellent plants include: lavender, onion, catnip, sage, chives, garlic, spearmint, and thyme. Be sure to strategically place these repellent plants around and in between rabbit and deer-susceptible plants. Also, place some along the property line and especially at key points the rabbits and deer are using as entryways, which can even deter them from coming onto your property.
Which of your plants offered are deer resistant?
Perennials that are deer resistant include: Asclepias, Aster, Baptisia, Coreopsis, Dianthus, Digitalis, Echinacea, Gaillardia, Heuchera, Hibiscus, Malva, Monarda, Oriental Poppy, Platycodon, Peony, Rudbeckia, Salvia, Sedum, and Tricyrtis. Shrubs include: Buddleia, Buxus, Cotoneaster, Daphne, Forsythia, Fothergilla, Hibiscus (Rose of Sharon), Potentilla, Spiraea, Syringa, and Viburnum. Vines include: Clematis, Honeysuckle, Campsis, Wisteria, and Climbing Hydrangea. Trees include: Acer (Maple), Cercis (Redbud), Corylus, Fagus (Beech), Magnolia, Ginkgo, Mulberry, Spruce, and Salix (Willow).
Superior Germination Through Superior Science
Park Seed offers some of the highest-quality vegetable and flower seeds available in the industry, and there are a number of reasons for this.First of all, we have humidity- and temperature-controlled storage, and we never treat any of our seeds with chemicals or pesticides. Nor do we ever sell GMO's (genetically modified seeds), so you always know the products you're buying from us are natural as well as safe for you and the environment.
Superior Standards - University Inspected
To make sure we are providing the best seed product possible and that our customers will get the highest number of seedlings from every packet, we conduct our own germination testing and have quality-control measures in every stage of our seed-handling operation. We hold ourselves to standards that are at or above federal and state standards, including testing specific crops more frequently than recommended by federal guidelines. And in order to maintain our organic certification, we welcome Clemson University to inspect us annually to make sure our organic seeds, which are stored and processed separately, are being handled properly.
Hand Packed By Experienced Technicians
Park Seed has been handling and packing vegetable and flower seeds for 145 years, a history that has given us a great understanding of how each variety should be cared for and maintained throughout every step of theprocess, from collection to shipping.
When packing our seeds, the majority are actually done by hand (with extreme care!), and we often over-pack them, so you're receiving more than the stated quantity.
The Park Seed Gold Standard
And many of our seeds are packed in our exclusive Fresh-Pak gold foil packets, which are lined to keep moisture out, so the seeds stay fresher for longer. We carefully pack very tiny or fragile seeds in crush-proof vials to ensure safe delivery to your home. Some of the small seeds are also offered as "pellets" (have a clay coating) to make sowing and growing easier.
When it comes to the kinds of seeds we offer, we are constantly seeking something new and provide many unique and hard-to-find varieties from all around the world. Our on-staff horticulturists are ready and available to share their expertise to help you with the success of these seeds, so you can grow a beautiful and productive garden!
Does Park sell GMO's or treated seeds?
It is important for our customers to know that Park Seed does not sell GMO or treated seed. We do buy a small amount of traditional hybrid seed from Seminis, a division of Monsanto Co., but that is all we purchase from them.
What are the differences between organic, heirloom, and hybrid seed?
Basically, organic seeds are seeds that are produced without the use and exposure to artificial/chemical fertilizers, insecticides, fungicides, herbicides, and other chemicals. They have to be grown, harvested, stored, and handled under very strict organic rules and procedures. All of our organic seeds are USDA 100% certified organic through Clemson University and the certificate has to be renewed yearly.Heirloom Seeds are open-pollinated -- they are not hybrids. You can gather and save heirloom seed from year to year and they will grow true to type every year, so they can be passed down through generations. To be considered an heirloom, a variety would have to be at least from the 1940's and 3 generations old (many varieties are much older -- some 100 years or more!).
Hybrid seed are the product of cross-pollination between 2 different parent plants, resulting in a new plant/seed that is different from the parents. Unlike Heirloom seed, hybrid seed need to be re-purchased new every year (and not saved). They usually will not grow true to type if you save them, but will revert to one of the parents they were crossed with and most likely look/taste different in some way.
What are pelleted seeds? Why do you use them? How do I handle/sow them?
Extremely small seed such as Petunias and Pentas are shipped as pelleted seed to make them easier to handle and sow. Pelleted seed are coated, usually with clay, to make them larger in size. After sowing, the coating will dissolve when wet and the seed will germinate. Pelleted seeds are shipped in vials placed inside seed packets, which protects them from being crushed. When sowing, be certain to use thoroughly moistened soil, to be sure that the clay coating absorbs enough moisture to dissolve. For sowing pelleted Petunia seeds, place the seeds directly on the soil surface and do not cover with soil, as light aids in the germination.
What is ideal temperature to germinate most seeds?
The ideal temperature to germinate most seeds is approximately 70 degrees F; give or take 1-2 degrees either way. This would be a good germination temperature for most flower and vegetable seeds and would be the most practical and feasible temperatures achieved for gardeners starting seeds in the home. You will notice for some seeds that it is recommended to use alternating day (warmer), night (cooler), temperatures, which is fine if one can provide such conditions. But most people are unable to provide those temperatures in a home setting, so just use the overall 70 degree F recommendation and the seeds should germinate well.
How long should grow lights be kept on per day and how close to the plants should the light be kept?
For germination and seedling/plant growth, you want to simulate the natural day-night cycles, and as a general rule, grow lights should be on 8-12 hours per day and off at night. You can vary this timing, as some seeds such as tomato, pepper, petunia, impatiens, and others, benefit from 14-17 hours of light per day (and the remainder of the 24 hour period in darkness). The most common grow lights used are fluorescent; using cool white, warm white, and wide-spectrum fluorescent tubes. These lights work well for germination and for growing plants up to a transplantable size. Fluorescent lights should be kept close though, 3-6 inches above the soil or the growing plants, adjusting the height as the plants grow.
How long will seeds keep in storage?
Park Seed stores seed in a special temperature- and humidity-controlled storage facility, which keeps seeds in excellent condition. Our seeds should be good for at least 1-2 years on average. Seed viability and storage time will vary depending on the seed item; some will keep a shorter time and some will keep longer. Seeds should be stored in a cool, dark, dry place. A basement will do (if not too humid), or a cool, dark room or closet. We recommend the best way to extend seed storage life is to store them in something air tight, such as a plastic zipper storage bag or canning jar, and place it in the refrigerator. This will extend the life of seeds for many years.
What is the best way to store seeds over a longer time period?
We recommend the best way to extend seed storage life is to store seeds in something air tight, such as a plastic zipper storage bag or canning jar, and place it in the refrigerator. This will extend the life of seeds for many years.
What depth should I sow various seeds?
When sowing seed outdoors, we recommend a maximum planting depth of 4X the width of the seed. When sowing seed indoors, the planting depth can be less, depending on the seed being sown, so it is always best to check specific directions. Here are some general guidelines concerning planting depth in relation to seed size: Tiny, dust-like seeds need to be sown on the surface of the growing medium or soil, uncovered, as they need light to germinate. The planting depth for small seed can be anywhere from barely covering, to 1/8-inch deep, to possibly 1/4-inch deep, depending on the recommendation. Medium seed should be planted at 1/4- to 1/2-inch deep, depending on the recommendation. Larger seeds can be planted 1-inch or deeper, depending on the recommendation.
Just about 50 days from sowing the seed, you will see the first blooms open on upright, vigorous, well-branched plants. The flowers are flared and tubular, about ½-inch long, and they arise very closely spaced on long, slender stems. Held out like flags, they call to every butterfly, hummingbird, and bee in the garden!
Summer Jewel™ Lavender is a dwarf, but it sets so many hundreds of blooms over its lengthy late-spring-through-early-fall season that it's hard to believe the flower power. And these blooms are weather tough, bouncing right back from wind, rain, and extreme heat. Never been an annual sage with this kind of performance before!
The blooms crowd along sturdy stems among fuzzy mid-green foliage on plants just 15 to 20 inches high in bloom and 10 to 15 inches wide. So compact you can grow them in containers, they pack a big color punch in the garden, too! When autumn comes and the plants set seed, goldfinches swoop in for a big feast.
Summer Jewel™ Lavender is a native plant, content in any well-drained soil receiving full sunshine to light shade, but best when the soil is fertile and the moisture is consistent. It will tolerate heat, humidity, dry soil, and other stresses, but you'll want to pamper it to keep those amazing blooms coming in the greatest possible number. The show is just too jaw-dropping to cut short!
Be sure to plant a few Summer Jewel™ Lavender plants among your vegetables and herbs, too. By attracting beneficial insects and other pollinators, this Sage actually helps keep down the numbers of destructive pests that might attack your food crops. And the blooms really brighten up the "working" garden!
Hardy in zones 7-10, this Sage is grown as an annual everywhere. Packet is 25 seeds.
Salvia Germination Information
How to Sow Salvia: - The annuals are best sown indoors, 6-8 weeks before last frost, at alternating temperatures of 68 and 86°
- Seeds will germinate in 12-15 days
- Sow the red-flowering salvias with NO cover as they need light to germinate
- If treating S. farinacea as an annual, sow indoors 12 weeks before last frost
- The biennials are best sown outdoors in late summer and fall with flowers produced the following summer
- The perennials are best sown outdoors in spring through summer, up to two months before frost
- Alternatively, they can be sown indoors by following the protocol for annuals
- If started early enough, perennials will flower in their first year
- The seeds of S. splendens are not long lived and should not be stored
- When sowing seed outdoors, we recommend a maximum planting depth of 4X the width of the seed
How to Grow Salvia:
Lighting: They can all be sited in full sun to part shade (the pastel-colored annuals do best in part shade)
Spacing: Spacing depends on the species, as sizes vary
Soil: Plant in a rich, well-drained soil. They perform best when well-watered, but are slightly drought tolerant
Additional Care: Deadhead after flowering
Appearance and Use:
A vast array of colors and sizes for just about any use in borders, bedding, edging, and planters. In summer or fall they produce spikes of tubular flowers that are 2-lipped. Salvia splendens is an annual native to Brazil, grows 6-36 inches tall. Salvia sclarea var. turkestanica grows 36 inches tall with bright pink flowers in summer and fall. It is a biennial native to Turkestan that is hardy from Zones 4 to 7. Salvia superba grows 2-3 feet tall with deep blue to purple flowers. It is hardy from Zones 4 to 7. Salvia microphylla, Baby Salvia, is shrubby and grows 3-6 feet tall with red flowers. It is a half-hardy perennial native to Mexico that is fully hardy in Zones 8 to 10. Salvia farinaceae grows 18-36 inches tall with blue flowers and gray-green leaves. It is a perennial in Zones 8 to 10, but is grown as an annual in colder climates. Native to New Mexico and Texas. Salvia viridis (S. horminium) grows 18 inches tall with rose, pink, purple, blue, or white flowers. Native to Southern Europe, it is a perennial in Zones 9 and 10, but is grown as an annual in colder climates
About Salvia:
Pronunciation: sal’ve-å
Lifecycle: Annual, Biennial, Perennial
Origination: Lamiaceae, nativity in text above
Common Name: Salvia
Which plants should I grow to repel insects?
Many of the herbs will repel insects. Pennyroyal repels fleas and other insects. Pyrethrum repels moths, flies, ants, mosquitoes, cockroaches, mites, and bedbugs. Mint repels flies, fleas, and ants. Lavender repels flies, silverfish, and fleas. Catnip can repel mosquitoes. Thyme repels insects. Lemon Grass repels mosquitoes. Basil repels flies and mosquitoes. Sage repels a variety of insects. Chrysanthemum, grown for its beautiful flowers and for the extraction of pyrethrin (an organic insecticide), repels flies, beetles, mosquitoes, roaches, lice, and fleas.
Which plants should I grow to repel rabbits and deer?
Planting garlic, onions, chives, lavender, rosemary, and sage around rabbit-susceptible plants will repel rabbits. Deer repellent plants include: lavender, onion, catnip, sage, chives, garlic, spearmint, and thyme. Be sure to strategically place these repellent plants around and in between rabbit and deer-susceptible plants. Also, place some along the property line and especially at key points the rabbits and deer are using as entryways, which can even deter them from coming onto your property.
Which of your plants offered are deer resistant?
Perennials that are deer resistant include: Asclepias, Aster, Baptisia, Coreopsis, Dianthus, Digitalis, Echinacea, Gaillardia, Heuchera, Hibiscus, Malva, Monarda, Oriental Poppy, Platycodon, Peony, Rudbeckia, Salvia, Sedum, and Tricyrtis. Shrubs include: Buddleia, Buxus, Cotoneaster, Daphne, Forsythia, Fothergilla, Hibiscus (Rose of Sharon), Potentilla, Spiraea, Syringa, and Viburnum. Vines include: Clematis, Honeysuckle, Campsis, Wisteria, and Climbing Hydrangea. Trees include: Acer (Maple), Cercis (Redbud), Corylus, Fagus (Beech), Magnolia, Ginkgo, Mulberry, Spruce, and Salix (Willow).
Superior Germination Through Superior Science
Park Seed offers some of the highest-quality vegetable and flower seeds available in the industry, and there are a number of reasons for this.First of all, we have humidity- and temperature-controlled storage, and we never treat any of our seeds with chemicals or pesticides. Nor do we ever sell GMO's (genetically modified seeds), so you always know the products you're buying from us are natural as well as safe for you and the environment.
Superior Standards - University Inspected
To make sure we are providing the best seed product possible and that our customers will get the highest number of seedlings from every packet, we conduct our own germination testing and have quality-control measures in every stage of our seed-handling operation. We hold ourselves to standards that are at or above federal and state standards, including testing specific crops more frequently than recommended by federal guidelines. And in order to maintain our organic certification, we welcome Clemson University to inspect us annually to make sure our organic seeds, which are stored and processed separately, are being handled properly.
Hand Packed By Experienced Technicians
Park Seed has been handling and packing vegetable and flower seeds for 145 years, a history that has given us a great understanding of how each variety should be cared for and maintained throughout every step of theprocess, from collection to shipping.
When packing our seeds, the majority are actually done by hand (with extreme care!), and we often over-pack them, so you're receiving more than the stated quantity.
The Park Seed Gold Standard
And many of our seeds are packed in our exclusive Fresh-Pak gold foil packets, which are lined to keep moisture out, so the seeds stay fresher for longer. We carefully pack very tiny or fragile seeds in crush-proof vials to ensure safe delivery to your home. Some of the small seeds are also offered as "pellets" (have a clay coating) to make sowing and growing easier.
When it comes to the kinds of seeds we offer, we are constantly seeking something new and provide many unique and hard-to-find varieties from all around the world. Our on-staff horticulturists are ready and available to share their expertise to help you with the success of these seeds, so you can grow a beautiful and productive garden!
Does Park sell GMO's or treated seeds?
It is important for our customers to know that Park Seed does not sell GMO or treated seed. We do buy a small amount of traditional hybrid seed from Seminis, a division of Monsanto Co., but that is all we purchase from them.
What are the differences between organic, heirloom, and hybrid seed?
Basically, organic seeds are seeds that are produced without the use and exposure to artificial/chemical fertilizers, insecticides, fungicides, herbicides, and other chemicals. They have to be grown, harvested, stored, and handled under very strict organic rules and procedures. All of our organic seeds are USDA 100% certified organic through Clemson University and the certificate has to be renewed yearly.Heirloom Seeds are open-pollinated -- they are not hybrids. You can gather and save heirloom seed from year to year and they will grow true to type every year, so they can be passed down through generations. To be considered an heirloom, a variety would have to be at least from the 1940's and 3 generations old (many varieties are much older -- some 100 years or more!).
Hybrid seed are the product of cross-pollination between 2 different parent plants, resulting in a new plant/seed that is different from the parents. Unlike Heirloom seed, hybrid seed need to be re-purchased new every year (and not saved). They usually will not grow true to type if you save them, but will revert to one of the parents they were crossed with and most likely look/taste different in some way.
What are pelleted seeds? Why do you use them? How do I handle/sow them?
Extremely small seed such as Petunias and Pentas are shipped as pelleted seed to make them easier to handle and sow. Pelleted seed are coated, usually with clay, to make them larger in size. After sowing, the coating will dissolve when wet and the seed will germinate. Pelleted seeds are shipped in vials placed inside seed packets, which protects them from being crushed. When sowing, be certain to use thoroughly moistened soil, to be sure that the clay coating absorbs enough moisture to dissolve. For sowing pelleted Petunia seeds, place the seeds directly on the soil surface and do not cover with soil, as light aids in the germination.
What is ideal temperature to germinate most seeds?
The ideal temperature to germinate most seeds is approximately 70 degrees F; give or take 1-2 degrees either way. This would be a good germination temperature for most flower and vegetable seeds and would be the most practical and feasible temperatures achieved for gardeners starting seeds in the home. You will notice for some seeds that it is recommended to use alternating day (warmer), night (cooler), temperatures, which is fine if one can provide such conditions. But most people are unable to provide those temperatures in a home setting, so just use the overall 70 degree F recommendation and the seeds should germinate well.
How long should grow lights be kept on per day and how close to the plants should the light be kept?
For germination and seedling/plant growth, you want to simulate the natural day-night cycles, and as a general rule, grow lights should be on 8-12 hours per day and off at night. You can vary this timing, as some seeds such as tomato, pepper, petunia, impatiens, and others, benefit from 14-17 hours of light per day (and the remainder of the 24 hour period in darkness). The most common grow lights used are fluorescent; using cool white, warm white, and wide-spectrum fluorescent tubes. These lights work well for germination and for growing plants up to a transplantable size. Fluorescent lights should be kept close though, 3-6 inches above the soil or the growing plants, adjusting the height as the plants grow.
How long will seeds keep in storage?
Park Seed stores seed in a special temperature- and humidity-controlled storage facility, which keeps seeds in excellent condition. Our seeds should be good for at least 1-2 years on average. Seed viability and storage time will vary depending on the seed item; some will keep a shorter time and some will keep longer. Seeds should be stored in a cool, dark, dry place. A basement will do (if not too humid), or a cool, dark room or closet. We recommend the best way to extend seed storage life is to store them in something air tight, such as a plastic zipper storage bag or canning jar, and place it in the refrigerator. This will extend the life of seeds for many years.
What is the best way to store seeds over a longer time period?
We recommend the best way to extend seed storage life is to store seeds in something air tight, such as a plastic zipper storage bag or canning jar, and place it in the refrigerator. This will extend the life of seeds for many years.
What depth should I sow various seeds?
When sowing seed outdoors, we recommend a maximum planting depth of 4X the width of the seed. When sowing seed indoors, the planting depth can be less, depending on the seed being sown, so it is always best to check specific directions. Here are some general guidelines concerning planting depth in relation to seed size: Tiny, dust-like seeds need to be sown on the surface of the growing medium or soil, uncovered, as they need light to germinate. The planting depth for small seed can be anywhere from barely covering, to 1/8-inch deep, to possibly 1/4-inch deep, depending on the recommendation. Medium seed should be planted at 1/4- to 1/2-inch deep, depending on the recommendation. Larger seeds can be planted 1-inch or deeper, depending on the recommendation.